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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sole chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> they're not backing down, of course. they're also running misleading radio ads on the same topic. michael steele ised former chairman of the rnc and ron reagan is a radio talk show hosts. both of my guests are msnbc political analysts. i want to start with ron. this stuff, weeks ago the romney campaign said we're not going to let this campaign be run by fact checkers. i mean, i have never heard it said -- you just say we don't care if you find out we're lying. lying is a bad word. we don't care if you catch us. we're going to keep doing it. because we're desperate. >> yeah, well, they may be desperate. ohio is going to be the clincher for this election. everybody has been saying it and it's probably true. mitt romney probably hopes that the truth isn't going to find him in ohio at some point here. he's been a shape shifter his entire political career. this shouldn't surprise us, and yet somehow he's taken it to a new level. t
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sole chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> they're not backing down, of course. they're also running misleading radio ads on the same topic. michael steele ised former chairman of the rnc and ron reagan is a radio talk show hosts. both of my guests are msnbc political analysts. i want to start with ron. this stuff, weeks ago the romney campaign said we're not going to let...
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now, chrysler responded to this controversy. i want you to pay close attention to what a corporation said about what mitt romney said. first they start out saying, let's set the record straight. jeep has no intention of shifting production of its jeep models out of north america to china. it's simply reviewing the opportunities to return jeep output to china for the world's largest auto market. u.s. jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation, a careful and unbiased reading of the bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments. you know what, folks? i don't think the obama campaign could have written that release any better. but that came from chrysler, ripping on mitt romney. in fact, mitt romney's entire campaign is about unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments. his lie about chrysler was not only dishonest, it was irresponsible. romney said hundreds of jobs were at stake with no facts whatsoever to support his claim. where does he get his information. what kind of president is
now, chrysler responded to this controversy. i want you to pay close attention to what a corporation said about what mitt romney said. first they start out saying, let's set the record straight. jeep has no intention of shifting production of its jeep models out of north america to china. it's simply reviewing the opportunities to return jeep output to china for the world's largest auto market. u.s. jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation, a careful and unbiased reading of the...
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. >> obama took chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps overseas. >> why the buckeye state isn't buying it. >>> and coming up, richard is here with the latest on how hurricane sandy will affect the election. with six days out, america looks at which candidate they want in an emergency. >> cooperation has been great with fema here on the ground. and the cooperation from the president of the united states has been outstanding. he deserves great credit. [ male announcer ] free windows 8 training from your son. can you help me with something? nope! good talk. [ male announcer ] or free windows 8 training when you buy a computer at staples. another way staples makes it easier to upgrade. how did i get here? dumb luck? or good decisions? ones i've made. ones we've all made. about marriage. children. money. about tomorrow. here's to good decisions. who matters most to you says the most about you. massmutual is owned by our policyholders so they matter most to us. massmutual. we'll help you get there. with head & shoulders? since before jeans were this ski
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. >> obama took chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps overseas. >> why the buckeye state isn't buying it. >>> and coming up, richard is here with the latest on how hurricane sandy will affect the election. with six days out, america looks at which candidate they want in an emergency. >> cooperation has been great with fema here on the ground. and the cooperation from the president of the united states has been outstanding. he deserves great credit. [ husband ] transfer! [ male announcer ] free data transfer at home. you just deleted all the photos! you did! no you did! [ male announcer ] or free data transfer when you buy a windows 8 computer at staples. another way staples makes it easier to upgrade. that was me... the day i learned i had to start insulin for my type 2 diabetes. me... thinking my only option was the vial and syringe dad used. and me... discovering once-daily levemir® flexpen. flexpen® is prefilled. doesn't need refrigeration for up to 42 days. no drawing from a vial. dial the exact dose. inject by pushing a button. flexpen® i
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. >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build screams in china. >> chairman of the ohio democrats, chris redfern and senator nina turner are here to tell us why the buckeye state isn't buying it. >>> and coming up, richard wolffe is here with the latest on how hurricane sandy will affect the election with six days out, america looks at which candidate they want in an emergency. >> cooperation has been great with fema on the ground and the cooperation from the president of the united states has been outstanding. he deserves great credit. he deserves great credit. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." throughout this entire campaign mitt romney seems to have really struggled with the truth, don't you think? but his new jeep to china ad campaign could be the biggest lie to date. romney is running a completely false commercial in ohio. it claims because of the auto loan, chrysler is planning to move jeep production to china. the claim is a flat out lie. after romney was told the ad was false, he doubled down and started running this rad
. >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build screams in china. >> chairman of the ohio democrats, chris redfern and senator nina turner are here to tell us why the buckeye state isn't buying it. >>> and coming up, richard wolffe is here with the latest on how hurricane sandy will affect the election with six days out, america looks at which candidate they want in an emergency. >> cooperation has been great with...
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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> i'm mitt romney, and i approve this message. >> i'm barack obama, and i approve this message. >> when the auto industry faced collapse, mitt romney turned his back. even the conservative "detroit news" criticized romney for his wrong-headedness on the bailout. and now after romney's false claim of jeep outsourcing to china, chrysler itself has refuted romney's lie. the truth? jeep is adding jobs in ohio. mitt romney on ohio jobs, wrong then. >> let detroit go bankrupt. >> dishonest now. >> 26 past the hour. look at that shot of washington, d.c., as the sun comes up this morning. you just saw dueling ads playing out in ohio. each campaign jockeying for the title of who's the bigger champion of the car industry? joining us now from the white house, nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. and in chicago, national political correspondent for "the new york times,
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> i'm mitt romney, and i approve this message. >> i'm barack obama, and i approve this message. >> when the auto industry faced collapse, mitt romney turned his back. even the conservative "detroit news" criticized romney for his wrong-headedness on the bailout. and now after romney's false claim of jeep...
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chrysler tried again to set mr. romney straight on this saying, "jeep production will not be moved from the united states to china." did mr. romney take it back? no. he turned it into another ad, a radio ad, again for ohio. and he expanded it to say the entire auto bailout has been a huge failure. that drew another company into the fact check, gm, which had been saved of course by the auto bailout. a gm spokesman telling the press, "we've clearly entered some parallel universe." also from gm, "at this stage we're looking at hubble telesco telescope-like distances between campaign ads and reality." but here's the thing. it is one thing to lie about your record or even your opponent's record. but what mr. romney has done here is to lie about a third party. in that third party's back yard. and you can tell that mr. romney's ohio lie about jeep is not going to work in ohio in part because ohio voters follow the car industry like it's the local football team. the romney campaign's running these ads in youngstown, for exa
chrysler tried again to set mr. romney straight on this saying, "jeep production will not be moved from the united states to china." did mr. romney take it back? no. he turned it into another ad, a radio ad, again for ohio. and he expanded it to say the entire auto bailout has been a huge failure. that drew another company into the fact check, gm, which had been saved of course by the auto bailout. a gm spokesman telling the press, "we've clearly entered some parallel...
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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> despite chrysler's flat-out denial of romney's china claim, the romney campaign took his lie a step further today with this radio ad in toledo, ohio, which is home to a jeep plant. >> barack obama says he saved the auto industry, but for who? ohio or china? under president obama, gm cut 15,000 american jobs, but they're planning to double the number of cars built in china which means 15,000 more jobs for china. and now comes word that chrysler plans to start making jeeps in, you guessed it, china. what happened to the promises made to autoworkers in toledo and throughout ohio? >> that provoked general motors spokesman to release this statement "we've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days. no amount of campaign politics at its since call worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the u.s. and repatriating profits back to this country." and in an
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> despite chrysler's flat-out denial of romney's china claim, the romney campaign took his lie a step further today with this radio ad in toledo, ohio, which is home to a jeep plant. >> barack obama says he saved the auto industry, but for who? ohio or china? under...
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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> chrysler thought that ad was so misleading they put out a statement making the point that, in fact, they're adding 1100 jobs in detroit and any jeeps that are made in china are for the people of china. was that a mistake on their part? a lot of newspapers have fact-checked that, john, and said it just isn't so. >> the truth hurts, huh? he did sell chrysler to the italians and they own it. i think this is an important point, because mitt romney did say that his plan would be better for the auto industry. now, i'm someone who is pro-bailout when the bush administration did it. i think he had to bail out. i think that mitt romney believed you had to work to save those jobs. it was a different approach, but i think that that is a critical voting bloc. i also think that the coal vote is a critical vote in ohio. those folks will start coming mitt romney's way. >> there are conservative swaths in ohio. you know that very well, david
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> chrysler thought that ad was so misleading they put out a statement making the point that, in fact, they're adding 1100 jobs in detroit and any jeeps that are made in china are for the people of china. was that a mistake on their part? a lot of newspapers have fact-checked that, john, and said it just isn't so. >> the truth...
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it's not praying with the facts when gm and chrysler both say it's not true unless you produce facts and we've not seen it from the romney campaign that jobs are going to china, that their aassertion is true. then the opposite of truth is what? >> well, i mean, that's absolutely the right question to be asking. look, we've seen a lot of things said over the course of this campaign, so it's possible that the campaign making the calculation, hey, we could ain and maybe not getting called out on it. we have fact checkers and we have a great one here. i think everybody in the media is working especially in the final days to figure out what's true and what isn't. that's the reason ffs a significant risk. >> let me play what governor romney has said, david. i want to get your response. essaying don't look at the ads but the record. le met play what he said. >> look beyond the speeches and the attacks and the ads. look to the records toshgts accomplishments and the failures and judgments. word are cheap. >> the concern, at least i know for some democrats, is that this message of, hey, there
it's not praying with the facts when gm and chrysler both say it's not true unless you produce facts and we've not seen it from the romney campaign that jobs are going to china, that their aassertion is true. then the opposite of truth is what? >> well, i mean, that's absolutely the right question to be asking. look, we've seen a lot of things said over the course of this campaign, so it's possible that the campaign making the calculation, hey, we could ain and maybe not getting called...
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and chrysler -- at fiat, chrysler said this would take a circus acrobat to read the article that way. that's when you shut down. no. then they go up with an ad saying it. then they get called out by the head of fiat. and then they get called out by gm. then they go up with a radio ad that is even more aggressive, and then paul ryan goes out on the trail and goes back to romney and romney's initial arguments about they're shipping stuff over and totally trashing the auto bailout without ever mentioning that paul ryan voted for the auto bailout. it is surreal and i have to tell you "the toledo blade" my old paper, front page stories each day about this isn't true, how are people responding. i think that when the history of this campaign is written, there's going to be a chapter on this and it's going to be mitt romney's -- i mean, it is a high bar, mitt romney's dumbest move. >> betsey, can you adjudicate a little bit this dispute about what happened in auto in terms of mitt romney's contention that he was basically for the policy that ended up happening even though he clearly was inter
and chrysler -- at fiat, chrysler said this would take a circus acrobat to read the article that way. that's when you shut down. no. then they go up with an ad saying it. then they get called out by the head of fiat. and then they get called out by gm. then they go up with a radio ad that is even more aggressive, and then paul ryan goes out on the trail and goes back to romney and romney's initial arguments about they're shipping stuff over and totally trashing the auto bailout without ever...
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you have chrysler now coming back and responding saying, stop this. this is not what we're doing. >> indeed. >> it just doesn't seem to matter. >> well done, mr. romney. >> dana mill barng, thank ybank. and we'll be right back. jack, you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ male announcer ] use any citi® card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts. more events. more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's boring now? [ male announcer ] get more access with a citi card. [ crowd cheering, mouse clicks ] [ male announcer ] it's time for medicare open enrollment. are you ready? time to compare plans and see what's new. you don't have to make changes, but it's good to look. maybe you can find better coverage, save money, or both. and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. ♪ medicare open enrollment. now's the
you have chrysler now coming back and responding saying, stop this. this is not what we're doing. >> indeed. >> it just doesn't seem to matter. >> well done, mr. romney. >> dana mill barng, thank ybank. and we'll be right back. jack, you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl...
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you can see chrysler and dodge cars on the street. that's tangible and that is probably his best piece of tangible legislation. >> the one thing that you're getting at here, chris, what smir conish found out the hard way, the losing side is going to feel very aggrieved. this is not going to be like 2000 or 2004, which ever side feels like they loses, they're going to feel like it was taken from them. they're not going to believe the result they saw. that's going to make governing for the winner extraordinarily difficult. >> i agree with you. thank you very much, chuck todd. thanks for coming on. >>> next, will farrell says he'll do anything to get you to vote. anything. >> if you agree to vote in this year's election, i will personally give you a tattoo. fair warning, i do not know how to draw. >>> and this is a picture of rockefeller plaza in new york. it's been transformed into democracy plaza. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] behold the joy, bliss and total delight that can only come from having someon
you can see chrysler and dodge cars on the street. that's tangible and that is probably his best piece of tangible legislation. >> the one thing that you're getting at here, chris, what smir conish found out the hard way, the losing side is going to feel very aggrieved. this is not going to be like 2000 or 2004, which ever side feels like they loses, they're going to feel like it was taken from them. they're not going to believe the result they saw. that's going to make governing for the...
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you look at that chrysler ad, you look at this desperate republican ad trying to convince black folk that the republican party are on their side. they speak down to voters and let voters understand the ways in which politics gets really, really messy at this stage of the game. >> it's not just the campaign, it's the character of the man. that's what's being exposed to ari's point. >> yes. >> by these ads. is that not true? if you willfully lie repeatedly to the electorate, what does that say about you as an individual? >> it doesn't speak very highly of you. again, i'm all about authenticity and truth in politics. i know that seems really, really crazy in the 21st century. i think the american electorate is with me on this. at the end of the day mitt romney has played with the truth fast and furious, as we said, many times on your show. this is the result, the six-point deficit in ohio. >> despite that misleading g-pad, he hasn't made any inroads in ohio, as we've heard. we've heard about this absurd ad in spanish to latino voters where there's the president linked to fidel, hugo cha
you look at that chrysler ad, you look at this desperate republican ad trying to convince black folk that the republican party are on their side. they speak down to voters and let voters understand the ways in which politics gets really, really messy at this stage of the game. >> it's not just the campaign, it's the character of the man. that's what's being exposed to ari's point. >> yes. >> by these ads. is that not true? if you willfully lie repeatedly to the electorate,...
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the president made three stops in ohio today where he talked about mitt romney's lie that chrysler is moving american jobs to china. >> you've got to own what you say. this isn't a game. these are people's jobs at stake. these are people's lives. companies like g.m. and chrysler, they put a lot of time and effort and money into building up their brand and letting americans know that the american auto industry is back. and we don't want suddenly a bunch of ads saying stuff that's not true. you don't scare hard working americans just to scare up some votes. you know i tell the truth. and you know i fight for working families every single day as hard as i know how. >> president obama concluded his speech this way. >> and that's why i need you, ohio. to make sure that no matter who you are or what you look like or where you come from, what your last night is, where you started, no matter what, you can make it in america if you try. that's why i'm asking for your vote and if you're willing to work with me and knock on some doors with me and make some phone calls with me and turn out to the
the president made three stops in ohio today where he talked about mitt romney's lie that chrysler is moving american jobs to china. >> you've got to own what you say. this isn't a game. these are people's jobs at stake. these are people's lives. companies like g.m. and chrysler, they put a lot of time and effort and money into building up their brand and letting americans know that the american auto industry is back. and we don't want suddenly a bunch of ads saying stuff that's not true....
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it's hard to imagine these new jobs without chrysler and chrysler without the auto rescue. but because the new vehicles, these workers will be making our suvs, so while the comeback is good in the short term, it's only good on for all of us in the long time if the industry goes through a revolution that dramatically increases the efficiency and reduces the emissions of the cars it produces. want to find out what my guests think you should know for the coming week -- >> i think one of the things that a we've been discussing has been there's more drips out of the benghazi situation. there was a cia annex he is that asked for military intervention and were denied three times. unclear whether it was the pentagon, the president. who those. but i think we'll see more drips from that next week and that will continue to hit the headlines. >> we've covered benghazi quite a bit and i'm at the point where i thought i knew i then turned out not to know so have been taking things very cautiously because there was a lot of rushing, oh, it was about the movie, it wasn't about the movie, a
it's hard to imagine these new jobs without chrysler and chrysler without the auto rescue. but because the new vehicles, these workers will be making our suvs, so while the comeback is good in the short term, it's only good on for all of us in the long time if the industry goes through a revolution that dramatically increases the efficiency and reduces the emissions of the cars it produces. want to find out what my guests think you should know for the coming week -- >> i think one of the...
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you look at that chrysler ad, you look at this desperate republican ad trying to convince black folk that the republican party are on their side. they speak down to voters and let voters understand the ways in which politics gets really, really messy at this stage of the game. >> it's not just the campaign, it's the character of the man. that's what's being exposed to ari's point. >> yes. >> by these ads. is that not true? if you willfully lie repeatedly to the electorate, what does that say about you as an individual? >> it doesn't speak very highly of you. again, i'm all about authenticity and truth in politics. i know that seems really, really crazy in the 21st century. i think the american electorate is with me on this. at the end of the day mitt romney has played with the truth fast and furious, as we said, many times on your show. this is the result, the six-point deficit in ohio. >> despite that misleading g-pad, he hasn't made any inroads in ohio, as we've heard. we've heard about this absurd ad in spanish to latino voters where there's the president linked to fidel, hugo cha
you look at that chrysler ad, you look at this desperate republican ad trying to convince black folk that the republican party are on their side. they speak down to voters and let voters understand the ways in which politics gets really, really messy at this stage of the game. >> it's not just the campaign, it's the character of the man. that's what's being exposed to ari's point. >> yes. >> by these ads. is that not true? if you willfully lie repeatedly to the electorate,...
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. >> what do you make of this republican ad that's been out there running for romney saying that chrysler is going to take jeep out of the state and send those jobs to china? >> it's playing on the fears of people and flat false. the most cynical play i've seep, and there is an editorial in the denver post saying this goes to character. >> if that is a hail mary pass on the romney campaign, it seems not to have worked. you have auto executives coming out saying that's a lie. >> they made a calculation in the romney campaign saying you have more power in the advertising, meaning if you can play it enough times, it doesn't matter whether or not the fact checkers call it, because what gets ahead of the fact checking is the ad. >> but chris, maybe i'm just naive about this -- >> no, you're not. >> i feel like sit a real underestimation of the american public that you can put this out there, people are going to march in line over the edge. it is a crass estimation of the american voter. >> i think there are a couple of these out there. two of these out there now are republican. that ad, which
. >> what do you make of this republican ad that's been out there running for romney saying that chrysler is going to take jeep out of the state and send those jobs to china? >> it's playing on the fears of people and flat false. the most cynical play i've seep, and there is an editorial in the denver post saying this goes to character. >> if that is a hail mary pass on the romney campaign, it seems not to have worked. you have auto executives coming out saying that's a lie....
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so chrysler corporation then issues this statement. jeep has no intention of shifting production of its jeep models out of north america to china. it's simply reviewing the opportunities to return jeep output to china for the world's largest auto market. a careful and unbiassed reading of the bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies. so bloomberg had this piece about moving jobs to china. they weren't saying that. they were saying maybe they could expand and do some business in china. >> it's actually a success sorry. >> you have this giant corporation who is uninhibited about referring to what romney is saying about unnecessary fantasies. >> i've got to tell you i'm not polly an na here. but the way that mitt romney has run this campaign, has been disgusting. no regard for the facts. no regard for the truth. willing to say anything just as you were alluding to with john sununu, willing to say anything that serves his purpose at the moment and relying on the fact that he's not going to get called out on it and most people
so chrysler corporation then issues this statement. jeep has no intention of shifting production of its jeep models out of north america to china. it's simply reviewing the opportunities to return jeep output to china for the world's largest auto market. a careful and unbiassed reading of the bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies. so bloomberg had this piece about moving jobs to china. they weren't saying that. they were saying maybe they could expand and do some business in...
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i think if romney loses ohio it's because of that chrysler ad. you see some pent up anger about that. >> a lot of reaction. how about you susan. >> heroes of the week were the first responders because they are still out there. they are working on stuff even as their own homes are under water or on fire. doing an incredible job. for the worst week all those republicans who criticized chris christie for standing with the president of the united states, taking care of business, that's not what it's about and you are a loser if you do that. >> okay. >> there you go. >> we need make you and honorary democrat. keep it up. >> in a moment krcraig melvin joins us from washington. stay with us here at democracy plaza. but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that. huh? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth!
i think if romney loses ohio it's because of that chrysler ad. you see some pent up anger about that. >> a lot of reaction. how about you susan. >> heroes of the week were the first responders because they are still out there. they are working on stuff even as their own homes are under water or on fire. doing an incredible job. for the worst week all those republicans who criticized chris christie for standing with the president of the united states, taking care of business, that's...
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and chrysler. and so he's got to somehow get voters to look past that, that he would be a supportive president of union workers in this state. as you mentioned, governor romney is down in florida today. we are expected after this bus tour to head down there as well. but right now the polls are looking in the president's favor. the latest cnn poll has the president up 50-46. there's still some work to be done here but we can tell you that the folks who are showing up for these republican events are very energized, they are very enthused about their ticket. and now as a matter of seeing, alex, who's got the better ground game. democrats or republicans. we'll know in ten days. >> we will certainly indeed. thank you so much ron mott. safe travels on the bus tour. >>> next up we turn to nbc's kristin welker who's in new hampshire with the the president. hello to you, kristin. before we get to the president's campaign event there, is hurricane sandy affecting the white house plans at all? >> reporter: ab
and chrysler. and so he's got to somehow get voters to look past that, that he would be a supportive president of union workers in this state. as you mentioned, governor romney is down in florida today. we are expected after this bus tour to head down there as well. but right now the polls are looking in the president's favor. the latest cnn poll has the president up 50-46. there's still some work to be done here but we can tell you that the folks who are showing up for these republican events...